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A Pan American app. I bought a Conn Pan American Alto a few months ago. Mine is only stamped with a serial number.
It's pretty amazing how little attention the makers of these instruments have paid to tracking this sort of thing over the years. The great Conn fire was accidental (apparently), but it has caused no end of problems over the years. More recently, the lack of response from Leblanc has puzzled folks for many more years.
I've had luck with Selmer USA in the past, but getting definitive answers on Selmer Paris stuff was limited to the stuff in the lists. What about Yamaha? I've never looked for anything in the Yamaha line myself. Well, for what it's worth, the main reason nobody paid much attention to Pan American serial numbers is because these were Conn's second-line horns, i.e. It's kinda like asking how old a Bundy II is. It really doesn't matter: it's not a pro horn.
Download doctor strange mp4. However, I've personally received dozens, if not hundreds, of e-mails over the years asking how old Pan American horns are. I'm a little interested in how this Pan American serial number chart works for other Conn stencils and stencils/Pan Americans that don't have 'P' serial numbers. Re: Conn fire, there were at least two, if not three. Two occurred before CG Conn became 'CG Conn, LTD,' so they predate the Pan American model by a few years. Off the top of my head, I'll say 1897 and 1910. Leblanc has an interesting relationship with the people that own their instruments. As an example, I've been told -- by Leblanc -- that if you own one of their instruments and e-mail them asking for dating assistance, they'll be happy to provide it.
However, there are at least a couple folks on this forum that owned relatively recent Leblanc instruments and Leblanc refused to give out any information. Selmer Paris has always been hit or miss. I've seen examples of e-mails from them that I could verify with other sources. I've also seen e-mails written in badly broken English that were just flat out wrong. I also remember them denying they ever built curved soprano saxophones. Regardless of the fact that there was a curved soprano on their website.
Selmer probably still maintains that there were no Mark VII horns produced in anything but alto and tenor. Yamaha's serial numbers are allegedly non-sequential. DoctorSax.biz has some information on the Yamaha-made Vitos and that chart might extend to other Yamaha instruments. If you're extra enterprising, you can go to Yamaha's website and look at a parts list. I'm told that if you do own a Yamaha, you can call them up and they'll provide info.
FWIW, I can't remember anyone asking me how old their Yamaha was. Hi, I'm a little late for the party, but I'm Kurt, the one doing the work on Pan American and its own second lines International and Cavalier. I am also working on the Elkhart Band Instrument Co, the Buescher subsidiary. And on a related study, ART Musical Instruments, which became Pedler & Son.
Besides registering serial numbers, I am actively engaged in history research. I will be updating the brass and sax serial systems as continuing the registry and history research has moved some of the data points around. The previous versions were at a confidence level of 95% at 5%. I am moving towards 98% at 2%. There is a possibility I may be able to estimate production statistics and I may be able to provide a woodwind serial system too.
Here's a bit of History on Pan American: 1) On September 15, 1915, the first CG Conn Ltd brand instruments went to the market place. This signified the change from Col Conn ownership to the consortium headed by CD Greenleaf. The full name for the new company was CG Conn Ltd, Inc. CG Conn Ltd was the brand. 2) The Pan American brand was established in 1917, along with American First. The Pan American's under this brand were labeled 'Pan American Model.'
From these instruments began the stencils. The brass had their own serial system, while the saxes were in the existing CG Conn system. So far I have not found any woodwinds from this time period. Based on visual comparison, brass and saxes appear to be modified versions of the pre-Conn Ltd models. These modofications constitute new models. 3) In July 1919, Pan American Band Instrument & Case Co was incorporated by CD Greenleaf and AH Beardsley, under the laws of the state of Indiana with a registration number implying activity from 1917. 4) In November 1919 the Pan American factory opened.
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A Pan American app. I bought a Conn Pan American Alto a few months ago. Mine is only stamped with a serial number.
It\'s pretty amazing how little attention the makers of these instruments have paid to tracking this sort of thing over the years. The great Conn fire was accidental (apparently), but it has caused no end of problems over the years. More recently, the lack of response from Leblanc has puzzled folks for many more years.
I\'ve had luck with Selmer USA in the past, but getting definitive answers on Selmer Paris stuff was limited to the stuff in the lists. What about Yamaha? I\'ve never looked for anything in the Yamaha line myself. Well, for what it\'s worth, the main reason nobody paid much attention to Pan American serial numbers is because these were Conn\'s second-line horns, i.e. It\'s kinda like asking how old a Bundy II is. It really doesn\'t matter: it\'s not a pro horn.
Download doctor strange mp4. However, I\'ve personally received dozens, if not hundreds, of e-mails over the years asking how old Pan American horns are. I\'m a little interested in how this Pan American serial number chart works for other Conn stencils and stencils/Pan Americans that don\'t have \'P' serial numbers. Re: Conn fire, there were at least two, if not three. Two occurred before CG Conn became \'CG Conn, LTD,\' so they predate the Pan American model by a few years. Off the top of my head, I\'ll say 1897 and 1910. Leblanc has an interesting relationship with the people that own their instruments. As an example, I\'ve been told -- by Leblanc -- that if you own one of their instruments and e-mail them asking for dating assistance, they\'ll be happy to provide it.
However, there are at least a couple folks on this forum that owned relatively recent Leblanc instruments and Leblanc refused to give out any information. Selmer Paris has always been hit or miss. I\'ve seen examples of e-mails from them that I could verify with other sources. I\'ve also seen e-mails written in badly broken English that were just flat out wrong. I also remember them denying they ever built curved soprano saxophones. Regardless of the fact that there was a curved soprano on their website.
Selmer probably still maintains that there were no Mark VII horns produced in anything but alto and tenor. Yamaha\'s serial numbers are allegedly non-sequential. DoctorSax.biz has some information on the Yamaha-made Vitos and that chart might extend to other Yamaha instruments. If you\'re extra enterprising, you can go to Yamaha\'s website and look at a parts list. I\'m told that if you do own a Yamaha, you can call them up and they\'ll provide info.
FWIW, I can\'t remember anyone asking me how old their Yamaha was. Hi, I\'m a little late for the party, but I\'m Kurt, the one doing the work on Pan American and its own second lines International and Cavalier. I am also working on the Elkhart Band Instrument Co, the Buescher subsidiary. And on a related study, ART Musical Instruments, which became Pedler & Son.
Besides registering serial numbers, I am actively engaged in history research. I will be updating the brass and sax serial systems as continuing the registry and history research has moved some of the data points around. The previous versions were at a confidence level of 95% at 5%. I am moving towards 98% at 2%. There is a possibility I may be able to estimate production statistics and I may be able to provide a woodwind serial system too.
Here\'s a bit of History on Pan American: 1) On September 15, 1915, the first CG Conn Ltd brand instruments went to the market place. This signified the change from Col Conn ownership to the consortium headed by CD Greenleaf. The full name for the new company was CG Conn Ltd, Inc. CG Conn Ltd was the brand. 2) The Pan American brand was established in 1917, along with American First. The Pan American\'s under this brand were labeled \'Pan American Model.\'
From these instruments began the stencils. The brass had their own serial system, while the saxes were in the existing CG Conn system. So far I have not found any woodwinds from this time period. Based on visual comparison, brass and saxes appear to be modified versions of the pre-Conn Ltd models. These modofications constitute new models. 3) In July 1919, Pan American Band Instrument & Case Co was incorporated by CD Greenleaf and AH Beardsley, under the laws of the state of Indiana with a registration number implying activity from 1917. 4) In November 1919 the Pan American factory opened.
...'>Pan American Saxophone Serial Numbers(10.09.2018)A Pan American app. I bought a Conn Pan American Alto a few months ago. Mine is only stamped with a serial number.
It\'s pretty amazing how little attention the makers of these instruments have paid to tracking this sort of thing over the years. The great Conn fire was accidental (apparently), but it has caused no end of problems over the years. More recently, the lack of response from Leblanc has puzzled folks for many more years.
I\'ve had luck with Selmer USA in the past, but getting definitive answers on Selmer Paris stuff was limited to the stuff in the lists. What about Yamaha? I\'ve never looked for anything in the Yamaha line myself. Well, for what it\'s worth, the main reason nobody paid much attention to Pan American serial numbers is because these were Conn\'s second-line horns, i.e. It\'s kinda like asking how old a Bundy II is. It really doesn\'t matter: it\'s not a pro horn.
Download doctor strange mp4. However, I\'ve personally received dozens, if not hundreds, of e-mails over the years asking how old Pan American horns are. I\'m a little interested in how this Pan American serial number chart works for other Conn stencils and stencils/Pan Americans that don\'t have \'P' serial numbers. Re: Conn fire, there were at least two, if not three. Two occurred before CG Conn became \'CG Conn, LTD,\' so they predate the Pan American model by a few years. Off the top of my head, I\'ll say 1897 and 1910. Leblanc has an interesting relationship with the people that own their instruments. As an example, I\'ve been told -- by Leblanc -- that if you own one of their instruments and e-mail them asking for dating assistance, they\'ll be happy to provide it.
However, there are at least a couple folks on this forum that owned relatively recent Leblanc instruments and Leblanc refused to give out any information. Selmer Paris has always been hit or miss. I\'ve seen examples of e-mails from them that I could verify with other sources. I\'ve also seen e-mails written in badly broken English that were just flat out wrong. I also remember them denying they ever built curved soprano saxophones. Regardless of the fact that there was a curved soprano on their website.
Selmer probably still maintains that there were no Mark VII horns produced in anything but alto and tenor. Yamaha\'s serial numbers are allegedly non-sequential. DoctorSax.biz has some information on the Yamaha-made Vitos and that chart might extend to other Yamaha instruments. If you\'re extra enterprising, you can go to Yamaha\'s website and look at a parts list. I\'m told that if you do own a Yamaha, you can call them up and they\'ll provide info.
FWIW, I can\'t remember anyone asking me how old their Yamaha was. Hi, I\'m a little late for the party, but I\'m Kurt, the one doing the work on Pan American and its own second lines International and Cavalier. I am also working on the Elkhart Band Instrument Co, the Buescher subsidiary. And on a related study, ART Musical Instruments, which became Pedler & Son.
Besides registering serial numbers, I am actively engaged in history research. I will be updating the brass and sax serial systems as continuing the registry and history research has moved some of the data points around. The previous versions were at a confidence level of 95% at 5%. I am moving towards 98% at 2%. There is a possibility I may be able to estimate production statistics and I may be able to provide a woodwind serial system too.
Here\'s a bit of History on Pan American: 1) On September 15, 1915, the first CG Conn Ltd brand instruments went to the market place. This signified the change from Col Conn ownership to the consortium headed by CD Greenleaf. The full name for the new company was CG Conn Ltd, Inc. CG Conn Ltd was the brand. 2) The Pan American brand was established in 1917, along with American First. The Pan American\'s under this brand were labeled \'Pan American Model.\'
From these instruments began the stencils. The brass had their own serial system, while the saxes were in the existing CG Conn system. So far I have not found any woodwinds from this time period. Based on visual comparison, brass and saxes appear to be modified versions of the pre-Conn Ltd models. These modofications constitute new models. 3) In July 1919, Pan American Band Instrument & Case Co was incorporated by CD Greenleaf and AH Beardsley, under the laws of the state of Indiana with a registration number implying activity from 1917. 4) In November 1919 the Pan American factory opened.
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